Changeset: 69180559
Landuse fixes in Boulder Creek
Closed by stevea
Tags
created_by | JOSM/1.5 (14945 en) |
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source | SCCGIS v5 |
Discussion
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Comment from Adamant1
How is mapping a commercial area over what is clearly retail and residential a "landuse fix"? It's pretty clear at this point that your just using County GIS imports to "fill in" the map. Without having to put any work into it or actually reviewing what your doing. As I've seen you make similar obvious mistakes, that were never fixed, all over the place and mostly served to make the map look "complete." Instead of imparting any, actually useful, information to map viewers.
In this particular case, it would have been way better to either just leave a blank spot on the map or if it had to be "filled in" you really easily could have just mapped the landuse properly, by hand.
This is a clear case where using the SCCGIS file to "fix" something was a miss use of it and importing in general. Along with it just being completely and utterly pointless do it that way.
It would be good if you actually "fixed" it this time. Or if you won't, I will. Whichever. Also, next time just do it by hand. Either that or at least check the import before you save it to the map to make sure it's correct. Instead of just adding bad data. The GIS file isn't infallible and it's a waste of time to needlessly import bad information that could have been hand mapped correctly just as easily.
Thanks,
Adamant1
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Comment from stevea
OSM Community: This user has been told numerous times by both me directly and the DWG to not contact me, yet he repeatedly insists on doing so in private missive, Notes and changeset comments. I consider this harassment (everybody should, as it is), especially with his non-specific complaint in this comment: it does not properly detail of what he believes is "bad" (i.e. WHICH commercial area? ; there are several in the changeset and they are all asserted to be correct). I will not endlessly "chase my tail" like this.
This user cannot communicate without complaint, false assertions, and an air of superiority and arrogance about data which he has little or no knowledge (he is not local, while I am). He remains pedantic and overtly nitpicking over what amounts to nothing at all: his sole purpose seems to be to annoy and bully. Not only is he both ineffective at this and flagrantly violates not only OSM's tenets of decorum, but those of good social graces and effective elocution as well.
I invite the community to ask this user to cease and desist this and his other harassment as you see it for what it is. I will not be the target of his intimidation and repeated, continuing abuse. Adam does not correct or improve the map (here), he simply throws firebombs into sub-communities (or targets specific individuals) and secretly thrills at any consequences of his chaotic behavior. I refuse to give him any joy in this sad activity and so should the rest of us: don't feed the troll(s).
While I would have preferred to simply ignore Adam (as I have for several weeks after going No Contact with him; yet he persisted in repeatedly contacting and provoking me), I am saddened to have to say such things in the public forum of a changeset comment. I do not wish to harm our community with what appears to be a continuing "feud" of sorts, however this needs to be said. I know of no other way to say it than to say it.
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Comment from Adamant1
know one in the DWG told us not to contact each other. They said not to argue and be concise about things. That was it. There was no issue when I sent you a message a few days ago about some picnic tables you wrongly tagged. So I'm not sure what the issue is now, but whatever. Thanks for the needless insults etc.
I only sent you a message in this case because it was something I had edited originally. Which you had overridden with the bad imported data and I didn't want to be accused of edit waring or something by editing it without contacting you about it first. As that's what the DWG/community says to do. There's zero reason for the insults, accusations, etc. just because I asked you about it. You could have just fixed the issue, as it's pretty easy to see by just looking at the map in the center of town, and gone on with your day. That's exactly what happened with the picnic tables. I'm not sure what's so different about this. I'll just edit it myself though. I'm 100% fine doing that in this instance and all others. No big deal. Really.
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Comment from stevea
It is patently false that Adam was not asked by OSM officials to not engage with me: see his user Talk page, https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/User_talk:Adamant1#Temporary_block_on_1_May_2019 where Wiki Administrator Minh asks him this, and says such engagement now "is the responsibility of administrators and/or the DWG." What Adam says above as "that's what the DWG/community says to do" is 100% false, especially in this exact case.
Minh continues, that if "you contribute further to tensions, a more permanent block may be considered." An inflammatory non-specific complaint such as this (again, WHICH landuse=commercial polygons?!) is PRECISELY Adam contributing to further tensions. This is a simple, undeniable truth.
Additionally, _I myself_ have asked Adam REPEATEDLY to not engage with me, privately and publicly, NUMEROUS TIMES as I consider any contact with him to be MOST unwelcome. That should be enough, but he doesn't seem to understand this (even after screaming at me "DO IT!" regarding me going No Contact). Yet he continues to scratch whatever itch he has and persists in harassing me. Conversely, I want absolutely nothing to do with Adam, yet he effectively forces me to call him out like this here. Again, I am saddened this is happening in OSM.
I wish to completely disengage with Adam and have done my very best to do so, especially over the last month-plus. I hereby request the assistance of the DWG and the greater OSM community to recognize his behavior as repeated harassment and abuse, pure and simple. Leave me alone! If Adam wishes to map what he actually knows, then MAP! Quit with the verbal rock-throwing already! It helps nobody and damages the goodwill in our project.
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Comment from Adamant1
"see his user Talk page"
Where where Wiki Administrator Minh said we should take a break from communicating with each other as a cooling off. Nothing there says no contact ever again.
"Additionally, _I myself_ have asked Adam REPEATEDLY to not engage with me, privately and publicly, NUMEROUS TIMES"
And then you repeatedly contacted about about edits I made. Including an edit to a landuse=forest area recently. After the message by Minh that you also received and after you told me not to contact you. You can't have it both ways where you complain about my edits that you had nothing to do with originally, but then I can't contact you about specific edits of mine that you modified.
I have zero issue with leaving you alone, but it has to be mutual, not one sided, and you can't wrongly edit things I've mapped in the mean time. Trust me when I say I don't want to have any contact with you. I've said as much repeatedly. You've repeatedly gone back on your side of it though. I agree with iandees that you just get defensive about things. And you would have had an issue with whatever I would have done in this case, contacting you or just editing it without asking about it first, because that's just how you act.
Like I said, I could care less about having anything to do with you. I only contacted you because I didn't want to be accused of editing waring or something. I'm 100% fine just doing the edits and being done with it though. Which is what I'm going to do from now on. I'm done with this discussion. It's completely useless.
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Comment from stevea
_I_ have said don't contact me. Stop this. Stop this now. This virtually constant provocation will not be tolerated. It is harassment. it is abuse.
As Adam says he has "zero issue leaving me alone," then doesn't, all can see how disingenuous he is.
When he says "gone back," it is only to defend myself against provable untruths and actual slander. Any honorable person can, should and will do this. I refrained during the last several weeks, but his provocative behavior is absolutely beyond the pale. Ian saying I get defensive may be true, but there is nothing wrong with defending oneself when attacked as Adam attacks, especially as I have held my tongue for weeks now.
Does ANYbody see this troll for what he is? DWG: Help!
"That's just how you act" is another slanderous provocation: OTHER people in this project do not say such things about me and my proper decorum in this project for the last decade, only you do, and simply tossing firebombs by saying so doesn't make it so. Be gone with you!
Adam SAYS he's "done with this discussion." Yet, watch, he WILL provoke yet again. Just watch. I sincerely hope to be proven wrong.
Map. Map well.
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