Changeset: 148033056
adding parking and bike lane buffer tags, clarifying some crossings, adding a stop sign
Closed by Jordan Leick
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Discussion
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Comment from stevea
May I ask why you changed Grand Rounds NSB from network=ncn to network=rcn? I don't think there is a right or wrong answer here, I'm very much in listening mode. Thank you.
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Comment from Jordan Leick
Sure! The USBRS is a national network of bike routes, with 18,000 miles so far. The routes are national in that they help connect multiple states, while. Parts of the Grand Rounds trail network along the river are on the USBRS, but that relation is tagged separately.
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Comment from stevea
Um, have you read our USBRS wiki? (Full disclosure, I am substantially its author; other OSM volunteers help enter the route data, one recently from Germany!). Please see https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/USBRS and if you care to read about the German guy who helped, see https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/aashto-s-usbrs-proposals-spring-2024-round-new-national-bicycle-route-proposals/110761 ).
What seems like it is happening is that a new category of "national" bike routes is emerging, namely these "designated by a national-level agency" (Grand Rounds / GR in an "All American Road" as part of the National Scenic Byway system, so designated by the US Secretary of Transportation). See https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/United_States/Bicycle_Networks , the "Quasi-National" section (National is for USBRs).
Both national and quasi-national are agreed to be tagged with network=ncn in the USA, making them both red in Cycle Map layer (or pinkish in CyclOSM). So, this was tagged ncn a few months ago, which made me think that a new "category" of quasi-national routes is emerging: those which are All American Roads (or NSB, a subset of AARs).
Yet, it may be that your local view of the cycleway networks is "easier" to see GR as regional / purple, rather than national / red, since the Twin Cities have a rather complex confluence of USBRs 20, 41, 45 (MRT) and 45A (MRT-Alt).
There's a long history here, and lots of people (in OSM, in state transportation circles, at the national AASHTO level...) strive to get this correct (since about 2011). However, I really want to hear local concerns / preferences. Thank you once again in advance.
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Comment from Jordan Leick
I have no strong opinions on the issue, and no I hadn’t seen the wiki on USBRS before, so thanks for sharing all the info! I would say to feel free to change back anything as you think is necessary, and I won’t modify network tags moving forward, unless something is clearly incorrect according to the wiki.
I don’t recall making the network change in the last month (or even in the last 6 months), so I wonder if it was a part of an older changeset. I’m a lot more cautious now about what I change, and I tend to stick to the conventions and tags that I know really well.
-Jordan
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Comment from stevea
That sounds great. I'm going to be doing some watching and my usual listening, as I'm cautious about making "wholesale" changes to tagging, too. There really might be this new category of "quasi-national" emerging, and GR is the very first one in OSM, blazing a trail.
Maybe days, maybe a week, maybe a month, things don't move too swiftly in OSM, that gives time for consensus. I wrote what I wrote about this potential new category into our wiki a couple / three months ago, so as to see if other NSBs / AARs get entered into OSM...we'll see.
Thanks for your good dialog!
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