Changeset: 46827429
Replacing beachside Ocean Front Recreation Area deleted by glebius
Closed by stevea
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created_by | JOSM/1.5 (11639 en) |
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source | Local Knowledge |
Discussion
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Comment from Adamant1
So from what I can tell, "Lighthouse Field State Beach" is the beach area, which should just be tagged as a beach. Then the rest of this park area is actually a few different things. Mainly an unamed park to the north of West Cliff Drive and then another area to the right of the beach. Which isn't really a park, but I have no problem with being tagged as one. Due to the grass. Although it should be its own separate area. Since it's clearly not a part of this big made up park complex you having mapped here. There defiantly shouldn't be two places overlapping each other both called Lighthouse Field State Beach as you currently have it. That's for sure.
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Comment from stevea
No, what you call "the beach area" is the "southern polygon" of this STATE PARK (what I and locals call it, the Department of State Parks and Recreation names the whole a State Beach, though only a small fraction of it IS beach), a very carefully constructed polygon made of of no less than eight ways and even other multipolygons due to its complexity. It believed to be the legal delineation of the State Park jurisdiction/boundary, but it is absolutely NOT (as you assert) all beach. So no, it should not be "tagged as a beach," except where it is.
Again, I hear no constructive criticism about how this might be better tagged (and you get wrong many facts about it and its history, reality and the correct tagging that exists here today), instead you assert "unnamed park" (false, it is part of the state parks jurisdiction) and seem to assert that "grass makes" (the Lighthouse area) a "park." You are non-specific about exactly "what" should be a separate area; there are many "separate areas" tagged in this multipolygon, all believed correctly. Posit a legitimate, specific proposal for improvement and the community will consider it.
Another false assertion of yours: the area is not "made up," it (largely? recently? I haven't checked in a while) it derives from CPAD polygons (or should). Read our county wiki. And learn (by listening/reading what has existed for years).
You likely don't know the history of this, it was going to be converted into a giant resort hotel, but locals demanded it become a park, so it did.
You likely also don't know that there is a sliver of county beach, independent of the state beach (known as "Its Beach" with no apostrophe) where law enforcement by state park rangers about nudity (at Its, where nudity is legal) has tried to cite people for it (nudity is not allowed on state beaches but is widely practiced on Santa Cruz County beaches; OSM often tags this where the nudism tag is used). The existing tagging is accurate as to where the boundary is; in 2012 I used a GPS on this beach to determine that this OSM-entered boundary quite accurately follows the sometimes rope-delineated boundary that the county and State Parks sometimes erect to show this. Many beachgoers that day watched as I did this (as GPS was not common then) and later told me that rangers and sheriff deputies who were told of this accuracy wanted to know the source of the data. "OSM" is what my friends told them. Once again, OSM builds communities with accuracy and good tagging.
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Comment from Adamant1
I'm not going to parse through your needlessly long message at this point, but its still doubled tagged. There should only be one thing tagged as "Lighthouse Field State Beach." As there's only thing called that in real life. Remember the "one element one tag" rule or whatever it's called. I don't care if it's the beach or the park at this point. Although I think it should be the park name to go, but just get rid of one of them. Then we can continue figuring out the details of this is actually a park or not later, but at least there will be a slight improvement in data quality in the mean time.
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Comment from stevea
Anything that fits on one screen (and a narrow leftward column of it, at that) isn't "needlessly long." Anybody (but you?) could agree to that, but, oh, yeah, you can't write something without being inflammatory, can you?
Map. Express your thoughts in the data structures which make our map. Paint the damn canvas, boy. I'm damn tired of seeing your vomit word salad instead.
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Relations (4)
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- Ocean Front Recreation Area (7071338), v1
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- Lighthouse Field State Beach (7058020), v3
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